We caught up with the brilliant and insightful Kallie Marie a few weeks ago and have shared our conversation below.
Kallie , looking forward to hearing all of your stories today. Learning the craft is often a unique journey from every creative – we’d love to hear about your journey and if knowing what you know now, you would have done anything differently to speed up the learning process.
The great and horrible thing about this line of work is that you never stop learning your craft. You’re always improving your craft, and the technology never stops changing either. So between always working at being better, you’re also always having to learn new things. While electricity, physics, and acoustics certainly aren’t changing- at least I hope the laws of physics don’t suddenly shift- music technology is always changing- and will continue to do so. I started out with analogue desks, tape, and now people are sending files around wirelessly. That’s not necessarily the craft itself- those are the tools- but learning how to trust your ears, refine your instincts, and diligently work at becoming a better composer, a better engineer- it doesn’t stop. There really is not a way to speed up this process. You simply must always be learning.
Kallie , love having you share your insights with us. Before we ask you more questions, maybe you can take a moment to introduce yourself to our readers who might have missed our earlier conversations?
I started taking night classes, at the tail end of high school, to try to “get ahead”- and was taking things like basic electronics, basic synthesis, and keyboarding. A friend of mine suggested, after graduation that we start taking these recording studio classes and I just fell in love with it. The blend of science and art was something that I had always yearned for as a little kid- I used to say that I wanted to be a “science artist” when I grew up, so I guess I found that perfect pairing in record production and being a modern composer. As a record producer I am there to help the artist or band get their songs ready for recording, really fine tune the arrangements, the song structure, and talk about their vision of what the recorded version will be like, since live versions of material can vary from recorded versions, for some artists/genres. I usually work with them a few times in a rehearsal or band practice to see how everything is fitting together, and make sure everyone is playing at their best, and when I can I’ll attend some live shows too- so I have a better sense of who they are as performers, but also what their songs are like live. I plan out everything for the recording process (this includes things like what kind of production it will be, what kind of drums sounds, etc)- we as a team decide on what recording studio is best going to fit the budget, artistic, and technical needs of the project, as well as finding any session players. I’ll generally spend some time with the engineer at the studio we end up working with, where possible- to plan out our sessions together. (Since I dont own a studio- which I actually think is beneficial, although sometimes confusing to what people typically assume a recording engineer might be.) I like to go over the mic list extensively and plan out what mics we are going to use on everything, and where possible get there early on the day to do a lot of the miking together with the resident engineer. I like to make sure that I and the engineer are on the same page for getting the sounds I and the artist/band wants. I also some times help artists with their MIDI- so they’ll bring their midi files to me before a session and I’ll do a lot of sound design work and really help highlight the best qualities of the arrangement and the parts that the artist/band have written. In post production I like to continue to hand hold the artist through the process, choosing the most appropriate mix and mastering engineer for the project, and generally being both technical and creative liaison for the duration of post production to guide the process and make sure that the sonic vision of every nook and cranny of sound is accounted for.
As a composer- its an entirely different job- what can I say! I am lucky to have a music production background in my work as a composer because what I create always has a high quality production value. I love to write music for a variety of things- be they film, TV, commercials, video games, apps, and I’ve even written music for ballet and dance. Heck, I would write music for roller coasters if some one would ask me. I’m really interested in working with painters and visual artists too. I’m a lapsed visual artist myself, so I’ve always been fascinated with the interplay between music and visual arts. As a composer I offer clients and collaborators the scope to support their story telling, brand, or artistic vision- and I bring with me a tool kit of diverse music styles. People always worry about budgets, and I know that’s pragmatic and important, but I believe if the vision is there, there’s a way to build things- to any scale.
Finally, I’m also some how, a writer now? This is a complete shock to me. Well… not completely. I accidentally ended up writing a book during the pandemic, that was based off of years of research from another book I had contributed to. I’m active as a journalist in music production and music technology, so while some of that writing is quite technical, and while its not always the most easy thing to write about, testing the equipment makes me happy. I love gear, I love music, and I love what I do. As an author, though its really a different bag, and its been a learning experience- that’s for sure. People have asked if there will be more books, and the jury is still out on that. At the moment, I am still trying to promote my recent book (https://rowman.com/ISBN/
We’d love to hear a story of resilience from your journey.
My whole story is resilience. As an artist your staying power really is your resilience and that varies for people and their artistic journey. It is a really personal journey- at least for me, and I am not sure I am ready to share all of it- yet. I didn’t have the easiest start.. What I can share is something I think that will resonate with a lot of people, and what we all went through as a planet during the pandemic. I lost my apartment during the pandemic and had no where to go. It got quite public, after Gizmodo picked up some of my writing, on my personal circumstances. Since my craft is married to a lot of equipment that I must have space for, and to work (mostly from home); with out a home, I’m mostly out of work. Things unraveled fast, and if you were in NYC in 2020, you know just how scary and chaotic the city was during that time. Once the Gizmodo piece ran, people came to my aid. I still can’t believe it. Strangers sent me money so I could afford to move and find a place to live- in the middle of a shut down- of everything that we all knew. I have a Patreon (www.patreon.com/kalliemarie) and during that time a few new people joined it, and some that were already there started contributing more to try to shelter me through this storm. I eventually found a place. It wasn’t the best, and there was a lot of violence and drug use in that building. I thought I was going to loose my mind during that time- both from intense isolation, but also from the uncertainty and stress of it all.
It was during this time that I wrote my book, Conversations With Women in Music Production, and also composed/released a few works of music. (Should Your Sun Set Before Mine: https://kalliemarie.bandcamp.
By the fall of 2022 I felt like I had just swam through a tornado. The key take away is-at least for me- resilience isnt born just out of some isolated character trait-but out of the collaborative acts of love and support of many people. Its easy to slip down the ladder and never stop falling. I’ve often felt I dont have a safety net, but what I have learned is that there are very good people in this world who help each other- and that is what we have to do to withstand any storm- especially as artists. I’m not as resilient on my own. I am more resilient with a community- and when they say it takes a village- it really does. Artists dont emerge out of a vacuum- they assemble their work, only if they have the stable foundation to focus on their craft. That really goes for anyone.
This is just one window, to a chapter of my story from 2020-2022. What came before and what has come after- are stories for another time.
Are there any resources you wish you knew about earlier in your creative journey?
This is tricky because earlier in my creative journey.. well the world has changed. There wasn’t this whole internet of things when I started so finding access to so many wonderful communities and resources- they weren’t visible or accessible the way they are now. This is one of the many ways that visibility matters. Im very grateful to have gotten this far- so far- but if I had had access to organizations like Women’s Audio Mission, when I started, or MusiCares through the Recording Academy- things might have been different.
I chose these two because I hope that mentioning them is the resource that some one else needs.
Contact Info:
- Website: www.kalliemarie.com
- Instagram: @DoomGolly
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kallie-marie/
- Twitter: @DoomGolly
- Other: www.patreon.com/kalliemarie https://kalliemarie.bandcamp.com/ https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781493065066/Conversations-with-Women-in-Music-Production-The-Interviews
Image Credits
Image 1 Bahram Foroughi Image 2 Dream But Don’t Sleep Media Agency Image 3 unknown and Image 1B attributed to Kallie Marie.