We were lucky to catch up with David j Brown recently and have shared our conversation below.
David j, appreciate you joining us today. Can you talk to us about a project that’s meant a lot to you?
That’s a question I get a lot and my answer is always: ‘the next one!’ For me, this is true axiom. There is something about working with others to bring an entity into being that may not have existed before that just gets me excited. It’s about creating possibilities that never existed before. Mary Jane Jacobs, the noted Chicago-based curator, writer, and educator and I travel a similar path. In some of her writings and exhibitions, she honors a Buddhist approach and appreciation for the process to unfold, often not knowing the outcome until you arrive at it. It’s how you navigate the journey that is important. This involves trusting implicitly in yourself, the experiences that you have had and build upon, and in the people and ideas that you are working with. Really, its creating the steps as you go along.
I have too any favorites that I’m proud of. One certainly was leading the entire effort of the Cincinnati Art Museum in hosting the huge No Spectators: the Art of Burning Man, that was organized by Nora Atkinson for the Smithsonian’s Renwick Gallery in DC. We demolished attendance records for the 19th century museum, averaging 45,000 visitors a month for the time it was there. Since CAM is six times bigger than the Renwick, we scattered these giant works throughout the museum, not isolating them in separate rooms, and by doing so, created ‘conversations’ with works in the museum’s collection that were in the same galleries. Out on the playa at Burning Man, some 400+ artworks, some 2 or 3 stories high, are scattered throughout seven square miles. There are no maps; instead, you experience the works when you find them, getting there by bike. In essence, we did the same thing at the museum; asking visitors to wander through the galleries to discover the exhibition and maybe in the process, find new ways to experience the museum’s collection. Other notable mentions were working with Yoko Ono, David Byrne, Lesley Dill, Terry Atkins: pairing the work of Michael Ray Charles with an exhibition of sideshow banners (the Human Hammer Meets the Two-Headed Woman: Banner Paintings from the Great Midway), and many, many others.

As always, we appreciate you sharing your insights and we’ve got a few more questions for you, but before we get to all of that can you take a minute to introduce yourself and give our readers some of your back background and context?
Hello everyone! My social media ‘handle’ is ‘Creative Instigator, Radical Optimist, and Pal of the Arts’. Over the span of a long career as an artist, curator, and administrator, I have had the honor and privilege of working with literally thousands of artists/creatives on hundreds of projects, many of those were large scale and complex. A good example would be the Barnstormers, a 26-member troupe from the US and Japan, headed by the artist David Ellis (originally from here in NC then NYC). He decided to revisit the small town in Eastern NC where he grew up, bringing along a few artist friends. While there, they started producing huge murals on the sides of old tobacco barns; the structures being the weathered monuments to a once vital industry in the area. It was the locals that gave them the name the Barnstormers, brought them food, and put them up while these artists were painting in the middle of the humid North Carolina Summer. I found out about them and invited them to move an entire tobacco barn to the gigantic galleries at the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art, when I was the Chief Curator there. They jumped at the opportunity, not just moving the barn that acted as a canvas for their in-the-gallery-2-month painting episodes, but also creating an amazing time lapse film of the process, from dismantling the entire barn plank by plank, its rebuilding in the space; all the painting that took place on one of the 18 ft tall gable sides during the run of the show, and finally capturing its rebuild, back on the original site from where it came. Rightfully so, the film is called 360 Degrees and you can find it on Vimeo. They also produced the Hive Mind Sound System that I referred to as a ‘hillbilly wall of sound’, comprised of 150 old TVs, car tires, washing machines, tables, and other cast-offs, stacked high on three hand-built large wooden wagons (think full size wagon train), all the objects were retrofitted with large speakers, and wired for sound that wafted through the galleries. There was much more to this project but I’m running out of space. That project is emblematic of one of my working methods: find something REALLY interesting and initiate a conversation that may lead to creations not yet made or conceived. It’s a back and forth, dance kind of thing. I’ve tackled subjects such as terrorism 10 years before 911 (Beyond Glory: Re-Presenting Terrorism); a global response to creative affordable housing (the HOME House Project: the future of affordable housing that involved more than 440 individuals and teams from the US and sixteen countries); and even a pinewood derby exhibition and race contest that pitted 150 hand built ‘art’ cars from all over the South, against 200 vehicles from New York (Eat My Dust!)
So where did it all come from and how did I get there? My training years ago was a combination of two types of universities: the book-oriented scholastic and the direct hands-on, nut and bolts, roll up the shirt sleeves doing it. The latter started off by volunteering whenever I had the opportunity, to help other artists on their projects. At one point, I took the time to create a plan for myself, and the first question I pondered was: what have you done? I realized I had more than ten years’ experience working with other artists on their projects and decided to use that as foundational approach to expanding a career in the field. Not long afterwards, a job was posted in the Washington Post for one day (how fortuitous!) and I soon was hired as the Director of Exhibitions at the Maryland Institute, College of Art in Baltimore, overseeing five galleries in three separate buildings. During the seven years there, we produced close to 90 shows a year!

What do you think is the goal or mission that drives your creative journey?
I think every person (we are all curators of our social media input/output) or aspiring curator has a handful of ideas or projects in them. Many curators in the field have a specialty and may work on a single project for a year or more. I never operated that way, instead it was a pedal-to-the-metal approach, producing up to ten projects per year, often in 10,000 sq ft spaces. I have a saying that museums are not created equally! Outside of the field, most people probably don’t think about staff size, operating budgets, and other types of support. I decided early on that the expansive field of contemporary art that I am interested in needs exposure in places other than the major metropolitan areas. That said, it’s always been an uphill struggle as the smaller cities lack the support systems that help fuel this type of work. As an artist and curator, I was always interested in re-shaping or re-considering the exhibition platform itself; how could we go about changing elements of it; how can we open up the field.

What can society do to ensure an environment that’s helpful to artists and creatives?
The HOME House Project the I mentioned earlier was a multi-year international initiative that spanned four years and featured an international competition and exhibition that travelled to ten cities across the US. It included a build stage (Cincinnati built the first two homes), films and videos, sustainable building products, and involved the local communities at each stop. There were two incredible take-aways from this project. I got a call on day from Bart Harvey, then CEO of the Enterprise Foundation (Columbia, MD), who informed me that they were announcing on the following day, a five-year, 555-million-dollar Green Building initiative that he said was inspired in part by the HHP. That’s astonishing! The other takeaway was that most of the creative participants in the project, the ones who created new affordable housing designs all told me the same thing: ‘No one has ever asked us to be involved before! I was gob smacked by this and it reaffirmed my belief that many museums are missing the boat and can and should be finding ways to actively involve creatives of all kinds in their efforts. As a society, we sometimes forget that the artists, creatives, and dreamers are always working to both point out prickly issues we generally avoid, and as a result, provide ways for us to address those issues, yet also re-define those elements that bring us great joy and new ways of experiencing the world. After all this time in the arts, my definition of an artist is he or she (or whatever pronoun you choose to use) who leads a creative life. Period.

Contact Info:
- Website: www.dentws.org
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dj.bpositive/
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidj.brown.9
- The HOME House Project: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524322/the-home-house-project/
- Other: https://www.citybeat.com/arts/the-cams-immersive-no-spectators-the-art-of-burning-man-brings-the-art-of-the-black-rock-desert-playa-to-eden-park-12182885
Image Credits
1) David J Brown at the Cincinnati Art Museum, No Spectators: the Art of Burning Man. 2) the HOME House Project: the Future of Affordable Housing (detail), 3) Still image from the Barnstormers, Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art. Images shows camera in the foreground. One image was recorded every 7 seconds, every time one or two of the group were painting on the barn. Once completed, the painting was covered with another mural, and then another. This process was performed during the entire run of the exhibition., 4) the Barnstormers, paper placemat/map, 5) Artist David Ellis painting, 5) the Barnstormers (installation detail), 7) the Hive Mind Soundsystem, the Barnstormers, 8) Installation detail with StyroBot, Michael Salter.

