Alright – so today we’ve got the honor of introducing you to Paul Gagner. We think you’ll enjoy our conversation, we’ve shared it below.
Paul, looking forward to hearing all of your stories today. Can you share an important lesson you learned in a prior job that’s helped you in your career afterwards?
As a business owner or manager, your staff is your most important asset. Most everyone thinks it is your customers, but without a happy, satisfied, and motivated staff, customers will not be satisfied. I learned that early in my career, almost 40 years ago, when I managed a busy outdoor retail store. Being young, I focused all my efforts on the customers, and not much on my staff. One day my assistant manager, who was younger than me, pulled me aside and let me know that the staff was feeling alienated, and they weren’t feeling the “love”. This trickled down to an indifference from the staff when they interacted with customers. I’ve taken that lesson and refined it over the years, but until I owned my own business I wasn’t fully able to implement programs that 100% supports, motivates and encourages my staff. They take care of our guests, and I don’t have to worry about the guests at all.
As always, we appreciate you sharing your insights and we’ve got a few more questions for you, but before we get to all of that can you take a minute to introduce yourself and give our readers some of your back background and context?
My wife and I own a successful outdoor 4×4 access hiking, backpacking, and sight seeing business in Kanab Utah – Dreamland Safari Tours. Dreamland has been in business for 23 years, though we bought the business in 2020, at the beginning of the pandemic. I’m incredibly proud of our success steering the business through uncharted waters, and coming out with a strong, cohesive, and motivated team alongside us.
And while I’ve been in the outdoor industry for over 40 years, the majority of my career was in the outdoor equipment and apparel space. I did work several years managing outdoor retail stores, but being on the outdoor gear side meant a degree of separation from the end consumer, and I’ve always loved having interactions with the end consumer. Being a manager and having direct reports in each of my jobs has meant I’ve learned a lot about how to read people, how not everyone is who the seem, and how best to interact with different ages, and genders.
Owning my own business now I have been fortunate to have had all of these experiences, as well as an awesome partner, since we are in the hospitality business. Our guides are the ones that make the magic happen, and we create programs and opportunities which many times don’t support the bottom line, but are the right thing to do for our staff. And having the staff feel the love translates to our guests feeling the love.
We’d love to hear a story of resilience from your journey.
My wife and I took over an established business in March 2020 at the beginning of the pandemic. We had no money, no assets, and had borrowed money from our family for the down payment. The purchase was owner financed, which meant that he was taking a huge risk on us. Ten days after we closed on the purchase, we closed the business to do our part to discourage travel – we felt it was the right thing to do. With guests scrambling for refunds, from cash we didn’t have, we had a cash chart showing when we would be bankrupt, which we worried would be before we even got started. After two months of being closed, we slowly reopened.
To make it through this period of mass uncertainty we had to get creative, and that is what I am most proud of. We initiated a crowd funding campaign to pay some of our guides who were unable to get assistance. We applied for and got several grants. And we created some programs to drive immediate cash. All of this turned 2020 into the best year in the companies 19 year history, even after being closed for 2-months.
Do you have any insights you can share related to maintaining high team morale?
Taking care of your team may seem like it costs money. And it does. But the payback for every business, not just those in hospitality, is happy customers, or in our case, guests. Every decision we make is made by questioning the impact of the decision on our staff. How and what we communicate. How we reward and discipline. We are very open about the company’s successes and failures. We treat our staff how we would want to be treated. We are empathetic and supportive. In the end, it’s not rocket science. It is being clear about expectations, and setting ground rules and explaining why those are there. It’s about listening, and about caring.
In the end, everything we do as managers flows down to our guests, and in the end, our guests tell their friends, who then come out with us. And they then tell their friends. An investment in your staff, will be an investment in the success of your business.
Contact Info:
- Website: www.dreamlandtours.net
- Instagram: @dreamlandsafari
- Facebook: @dreamlandsafari
- Linkedin: @dreamlandsafari
- Youtube: @dreamlandsafari
- Other: My personal website is: www.climbrlifr.com
Image Credits
All photos by Paul Gagner
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